In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo. “Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to: • Ted Cruz. • Donald Trump. • Ben Carson. We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."Oh. Ok. So Crooked Hillary's team wanted to pump up Trump. Let me say that again, Pump Up Trump (sounds like a new sex toy, doesn't it? I'll get my people to call your people and lets make this happen. It'll be huge and people will love getting screwed by it!). And then it gets worse.
“Just like everybody, I thought this was a Bush against a Clinton, that’s all it was going to be,” said former Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle. “When I saw the first set of debates, I would turn them on in an entertainment mode to see what Donald’s going to say today. It was funny." Source HereTrump is funny. Ha. Ha. Ha. Let's get in some of that new Reality TV show called The Political Apprentice. Right.
Consider the strange trajectory of the Simulmatics Corporation, founded in New York City in 1959. (Simulmatics, a mash-up of ‘simulation’ and ‘automatic’, meant then what ‘artificial intelligence (AI)’ means now.) Its controversial work included simulating elections — just like that allegedly ‘pioneered’ by the now-defunct UK firm Cambridge Analytica on behalf of UK Brexit campaigners in 2015 and during Donald Trump’s US presidential election campaign in 2016. Journalists accused Trump’s fixers of using a “weaponized AI propaganda machine” capable of “nearly impenetrable voter manipulation”. New? Hardly. Simulmatics invented that in 1959. They called it the People Machine. As an American historian with an interest in politics, law and technology, I came across the story of the Simulmatics Corporation five years ago when researching an article about the polling industry. Polling was, and remains, in disarray. Now, it’s being supplanted by data science: why bother telephoning someone to ask her opinion when you can find out by tracking her online? Wondering where this began took me to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge, to the unpublished papers of political scientist Ithiel de Sola Pool. Simulmatics, hired first by the US Democratic Party’s National Committee in 1959 and then by the John F. Kennedy campaign in 1960, pioneered the use of computer simulation, pattern detection and prediction in American political campaigning. The company gathered opinion-poll data from the archives of pollsters George Gallup and Elmo Roper to create a model of the US electorate.Isn't that odd? Computers making predictions back in 1960. Computers analyzing human behavior in order to predict human behaviours and control the election outcome. And the scientist who it all started with came from MIT. And we wonder how all that Jeffrey Epstein money was spent.
Lasswell, whose research on communication purported to explain how ideas get into people’s heads: in short, who says what, in which channel, to whom, with what effect? During the Second World War, Lasswell studied the Nazis’ use of propaganda and psychological warfare. When those terms became unpalatable after the war ended, the field got a new name — mass-communications research. Same wine, new bottle. Like Silicon Valley itself, Simulmatics was an artefact of the cold war. It was an age obsessed with prediction, as historian Jenny Andersson showed in her brilliant 2018 book, The Future of the World. At MIT, Pool also proposed and headed Project ComCom (short for Communist Communications), funded by the US Department of Defense’s Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA). Its aim, in modern terms, was to try to detect Russian hacking — “to know how leaks, rumors, and intentional disclosures spread” as Pool described it.
The press called Simulmatics scientists the “What-If Men”, because their work — programming an IBM 704 — was based on endless what-if simulations. The IBM 704 was billed as the first mass-produced computer capable of doing complex mathematics. Today, this kind of work is much vaunted and lavishly funded. The 2018 Encyclopedia of Database Systems describes ‘what-if analysis’ as “a data-intensive simulation”. It refers to it as “a relatively recent discipline”. Not so. Buoyed by the buzz of Kennedy’s election, Simulmatics began an advertising blitz. Its 1961 initial stock offering set out how the company would turn prediction into profit — by gathering massive data, constructing mathematical models of behavioural processes, and using them to simulate “probable group behaviour”.Do you really think these What-If Men are done and gone, set out to pasture like the cattle they manipulate? Really? Seriously. No. Obviously not. Or there wouldn't be such a fuss about Facebook and Cambridge Analytica. Same Crap. Different Flies. Only know there are more flies and the crap pile is bigger.
In 1963, on behalf of the Kennedy administration, Simulmatics simulated the entire economy of Venezuela, with an eye to halting the advance of socialism and communism. A larger project to undertake such work throughout Latin America, mostly designed by Pool and known as Project Camelot (Project Camelot, where have I heard that before?), became so controversial that the next president, Lyndon B. Johnson, dismantled it (sure he did). After 1965, Simulmatics conducted psychological research in Vietnam as part of a bigger project to use computers to predict revolutions. Much of this work built on earlier research by Lasswell and Pool, identifying and counting keywords, such as ‘nationalism’, in foreign-language newspapers that might indicate the likelihood of coups. Such topic-spotting is the precursor to Google Trends. Before his early death in 1984, Pool was also a key force behind the founding of the most direct descendant of Simulmatics, the MIT Media Lab. Pool’s work underlies the rules — or lack of them — that prevail on the Internet. Pool also founded the study of “social networks” (a term he coined); without it, there would be no Facebook. Pool’s experiences with student unrest at MIT — and especially with the protests against Simulmatics — informed his views on technological change and ethics. Look forward. Never look back. Source HereUnrest and protest at MIT against Simulmatics. I guess you could call it Rage Against the Machine. Maybe we should ask Jeffery Epstein if that's a good name? He did invest a lot of money into the MIT Media lab, after all. Surely he has an opinion on it. Too bad he killed himself. Snicker.
Decades before Facebook and Google and Cambridge Analytica and every app on your phone, Simulmatics’ founders thought of it all: they had the idea that, if they could collect enough data about enough people and write enough good code, everything, one day, might be predicted—every human mind simulated and then directed by targeted messages as unerring as missiles. For its first mission, Simulmatics aimed to win the White House back for the Democratic Party. The University of California political theorist Eugene Burdick had worked for Greenfield in 1956, but decided not to join Simulmatics. Instead, he wrote a novel about it. In “The 480,” a political thriller published in 1964, a barely disguised “Simulations Enterprises” meddles with a U.S. Presidential election. “This may or may not result in evil,” Burdick warned. “Certainly it will result in the end of politics as Americans have known it.” That same year, in “Simulacron-3,” a science-fiction novel set in the year 2034, specialists in the field of “simulectronics” build a People Machine—“a total environment simulator”—only to discover that they themselves don’t exist and are, instead, merely the ethereal, Escherian inventions of yet another People Machine. After that, Simulmatics lived on in fiction and film, an anonymous avatar. In 1973, the German filmmaker Rainer Werner Fassbinder adapted “Simulacron-3” into “World on a Wire,” a forerunner of the 1999 film “The Matrix,” in which all of humanity lives in a simulation, trapped, deluded, and dehumanized.The Matrix? A people machine. A Total Environment Simulator. Yikes. That sounds extremely far fetched, doesn't it. Trapped. Deluded. And. Drumroll please. Dehumanized.
In 1967 and 1968, at home, Simulmatics attempted to build a race-riot-prediction machine. In 1969, after antiwar demonstrators called Pool a war criminal, the People Machine crashed; in 1970, the company filed for bankruptcy. (Most of its records were destroyed; I stumbled across what remains, in Pool’s papers, at M.I.T.) Source HereA race riot machine that apparently failed? And look what happened nine months ago? Coincidence? Foreign power information warfare? AI training wheels? Kinda scary, ain't it? And guess what? We're not done yet.
Sept 17, 2020 • In 1960, media reports of dark forces behind John F Kennedy’s winning presidential campaign caused what Jill Lepore calls a “national hullabaloo”. America’s new leader, it was widely reported, had clinched the victory with the help of a “secret weapon”: a super computer that crunched troves of data to profile voters, allowing Kennedy to better target his political messaging before the polls opened.And now let's look deeper at somebody who worked at the Simulmatics Corporation, Ithiel de Sola Pool.
For all of Simulmatics’ efforts at automating prediction, it is company executive Ithiel de Sola Pool, an MIT academic with a focus on social networks, who in Lepore’s telling proves to be the most accurate prediction machine — foreseeing the “data-mad and near-totalitarian twenty-first century” that he was instrumental in helping to create. “In the coming atomised society, the information the citizen gets will arise from his own specific concerns,” he wrote in 1968, predicting a communications revolution, “customised news feeds” and the dismantling of party politics for a “politics of self, every citizen a party of one”. Source HereThat's extremely prescient. Did he predict the future or make it? What came first, the chicken or the egg? Don't matter. Don't care. Not at all. Because the end result is the same,
At that point in his (Pool’s) career, he was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, advising several countries around the world. Pool felt that the world was underestimating the importance of communications and technical change. Source HereOops. Pool was a member of the CFR advising several countries around the world. Ok. Next step.
2004 • The transformation of the United States into a power able and willing to take a leading role in world affairs was not achieved solely through policy changes in Washington, DC, let alone simply by changes in the structure of world power. This chapter examines the vital role of the CFR in transforming American public opinion from ‘isolationist’ to ‘globalist’ as an important aspect of America’s rise to globalism. In this regard, the Council focused its energies to undermine and marginalise isolationism while promoting its own internationalist views as the best means to achieve the American national interest. Source HereSo if a bunch of unelected officials are officially changing policy, why do you vote? Rock the vote? Don't make me laugh. More like Don't Rock the Boat.
November 21, 1971 • Of the first 82 names on a list prepared to help President Kennedy staff his State Department, 63 were Council members. Kennedy once com plained, “I'd like to have some new faces here, but all I get is the same old names.” Source HereSo a "People Machine" helped get JFK "elected" and his State Department list was mostly comprised of Council members. It's starting to look more and more like our heads of state are manipulated just like us, doesn't it? Let's jump back into the Pool one more time.
In 1965, he wrote "The Kaiser, the Tsar, and the Computer," an essay about a computer-simulated international crisis. Later, his interest in quantitative analysis and communications would contribute to computer models to study human behavior.
October 2, 2019 • With AI, the models suddenly become more realistic. “One of the things that has changed is an acceptance that you really can model humans,” says F. LeRon Shults, director of the Center for Modeling Social Systems at the University of Agder in Norway. “Our agents are cognitively complex. They are simulated people with genders, ages and personalities. They can get married, have children, get divorced. They can get a job or get fired, they can join groups, they can die. They can have religious beliefs. They’re social in the way humans are. They interact with each other in social networks. They learn from each other, react to each other and to the environment as a whole.”Hold on. Agent's are cognitively complex? That's scary, isn't it? And this is a very strange situation we find ourselves in, isn't it? Agents. Simulations. Viruses. Sentinels. Didn't they try and block out the sun? Ahem. Bill Gates. And I've read that originally the script didn't have humanity as batteries, but instead used humans as their RAM. In other words, we we're used for our brains ability to think. More on this in an upcoming post. Just think about it for now.
FalconLake Then there was the smell. "When I walked into the bedroom there was a huge stink in the room, like a real horrible aroma of sulphur and burnt motor. It was all around and it was coming out of his pores. It was bad," said Michalak, who co-authored the book When They Appeared with Winnipeg UFO researcher Chris Rutkowski. Believing it to be a secret U.S.military experimental craft, Stefan sat back and sketched it over the next half hour. Then he decided to approach, later recalling the warm air and smell of sulphur as he got closer, as well as a whirring sound of motors and a hissing of air. Source HereDid you notice the sulfur smell? Now let's go on and take another look at the East coast of Canada.
On Aug. 29, 1967, a 13-year-old boy and his 9-year-old sister told local police they were watching cows in a field and saw "four small black beings about 47 inches tall" who appeared to rise in the air and enter "a round spaceship, about 15 feet in diameter" that was hovering over the field. The police noted "sulfur odor and the dried grass" at the place where the sphere was alleged to have taken off. Source HereAnd West Virginia.
On a steep hillside, a bevy of youngsters drawn away from a game of sandlot football, along with some adults, were shaken out of their shoes by the spectacle of a 12-foot, metallic object that emanated a pungent odor of sulfur and made sounds that reminded one witness of bacon sizzling in a fry pan. Source HereAnd the last one is perhaps the strangest.
Bender’s message did not go over well. His rooms continued to fill with the smell of sulphur and he was telepathically ordered to cease delving into matters that were not his concern. A yellow mist gathered in the attic. Undeterred, Bender announced that the July issue of Space Review would hold a “startling revelation.” It never appeared in print. In July 1953 Albert Bender was visited at his home by three men. Bender stated “All of them were dressed in black clothes. They looked like clergymen but wore hats similar to [the]Homburg style.” The notorious Men In Black, always in threes, made it clear to Bender that he was to immediately halt all UFO work. They communicated telepathically: “Stop publishing.” Before departing, the MIB confiscated copies of Space Review and in their wake a yellow fog materialized in the upstairs rooms of 784 Broad Street. Again, the vile odor of sulphur wafted through the attic. Unnerved by their other-worldly presence Albert shuddered that he was “scared to death” and was unable to eat for days. The 32 year-old timekeeper would be the recipient of repeated MIB visits. The telepathic messages, headaches, his being stalked, and of course the surreal warnings by authoritarians in black suits, compelled Albert to shut down the International Flying Saucer Bureau. A year and a half after founding the IFSB the final issue of Space Review was released in October, 1953. It included a cryptic message, and warning: “The mystery of the flying saucers is no longer a mystery. The source is already known but any information about this is being withheld by orders from a higher source. We would like to print the full story in Space Review but because of the nature of the information we have been advised in the negative. We advise those engaged in saucer work to be very cautious. Source HereOut of this admittedly small collection, there are a couple points that I noticed. They all happened years ago, and a couple incidents are near water. Now that's not a big deal, and because of my limited examples, I can't make a big deal out of it. But.
“They reverse the winch and the diver’s thinking, ‘What the hell is going on?’ And all of a sudden he said the torpedo just got sucked down underwater, and the object just descended back down into the depths. They never recovered it.” The helicopter pilot swears the torpedo didn’t sink, per Fravor—and that pilot even told the Times about the incident back in 2017, but the paper never reported it. We’re guessing the editors would reconsider today. As the pilot picked up the BQM, he was apparently at a loss for words. “He’s looking at this thing going, ‘What the hell is that?’ And then it just goes back down underwater. Once they pull the kid and the BQM out of the water, this object descends back into the depths.” One dark mass coming up from the depths is weird enough. Two is officially cause for concern. A few months later, the helicopter pilot saw the exact same thing.It's a little more common knowledge now, but it definitely wasn't back then. And if we go over to the Russians (apparently, thanks New Normal Fake News for the constant barrage of disinformation) and what they released.
“He’s out picking up a torpedo, they hook the diver up on the winch, and as they’re lowering him down, he sees this big mass. He goes, ‘It’s not a submarine’. He’s seen submarines before. Once you’ve seen a submarine you can’t confuse it with something else. This big object, kind of circular, is coming up from the depths and he starts screaming through the intercom system to tell them to pull the diver up, and the diver’s only a few feet from the water. Source Here
2009 • Russian Navy Declassifies Cold War Close Encounters. Great catch by Phil Ewing at Navy Times‘ Scoop Deck blog: the Russian navy has just declassified its records of Cold War UFO sightings. Turns out “50 percent of UFO encounters are connected with oceans. Fifteen [percent] more — with lakes. So UFOs tend to stick to the water,” one Russian officer explained. Source HereSo now we have Russia and the USA reporting about UFO sightings. And the wall fell just a few short years after Gorbachev and Reagan decided to talk about UFO's and world peace in 1985. So now let's go back to 1984.
Conspiracy theorists believe that the closing ceremony from the 1984 Olympic Games ‘prepared the world for an alien invasion’ The bizarre closing ceremony at the Los Angeles Games raised eyebrows at the time, but alien enthusiasts still claim that the Olympic event had a more sinister purpose. Source HereWhelp. What. Was. That? Seriously? And then we had the music from Space Odyssey 2001 playing. Kind of coincidental with all of our current Monoliths and signals from Jupiter, isn't it? Flatten the Curve. Part [Source Here]( And here's the crazy aspect, I found that 1984 Olympics clip after noticing our current events invoking themes from the movie.
1984 NY Times • The public hearing was plodding along routinely at the Town Hall one night last month. ''All of a sudden, a cop burst in yelling: 'The U.F.O.'s here! The U.F.O.'s here!' '' said Peter A. Brandenberg, a 43-year-old real-estate developer. ''Everyone jumped up and jolted out. We went flying down the stairs to see this thing, just staring at it.'' On a night before that, William A. Pollard was driving along Interstate 84 near Brewster. 'Whoa! Wait a Minute Here' ''My neighbors said they had seen something,'' said Mr. Pollard, 29, the manager of an automobile service center. ''I said, 'Yeah, yeah, yeah.' I never believed in that stuff. But off in a field I saw this gigantic triangle with lights, about 30 feet off the ground - hovering. Then it turned off its lights and shot straight up - straight up. That's when I said, 'Whoa! Wait a minute here.' '' Throughout northern Westchester County, Dutchess and Putnam Counties and western Connecticut this summer, thousands of residents have reported strange objects in the sky - each usually in a V-shape or a circle, about the size of a football field, absolutely noiseless and outlined in brilliant lights of white, red or green. Source HereAnd there are more prominent UFO reports in 1984. So let's get this straight. We have major sightings in 1984 and then we have a UFO show at the 1984 Olympics. Ok. But then we have Jimmy Carter in 1976.
During the 1976 presidential campaign, Carter pledged that, if elected, he would encourage the government to make public “every piece of information” about UFOs. Once in office, however, he said releasing some of this information could have adverse “defense implications” and pose a threat to national security. Source HereAnd then next year we have Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 1977. And then Spielberg goes on to direct ET in 1982. My point? There seems to be a previous attempt to make Aliens look pretty benign and altruistic. That was followed up by the Summer Olympics UFO show, which honestly makes no sense at all. In the slightest. Not back then. Because unlike now, only crackpots and Conspiracy theorists believed in Aliens. So why the show? Was this a coordinated attempt to get us ready or to deceive us, because I find it hard to believe that the President of the United States in 1985 just blurted out UFO in 1985 as a metaphor.
They are clustered in certain areas, particularly around bodies of water and in national parks. If the people are found alive, they often have memory loss. If they are found dead, the cause of death is hard to determine. The people are sometimes found in an area it seems they could not have reached by foot, or they are found in a location that has already been thoroughly searched. Source HereMemory loss. Bodies of water. The authorities don't keep a tally of missing people. Dive into it, because something strange is going on, and ot sounds just like an alien abduction would. Are the 411 cases dealing with extraterrestrial incidents? Food for thought, because we're about to go off the deep end. Ready?
What are some of those books? It’s interesting, the stuff I read just to escape ends up being a mix of things — some science fiction. For a while, there was a three-volume science-fiction novel, the “Three-Body Problem” series — Oh, Liu Cixin, who won the Hugo Award. — which was just wildly imaginative, really interesting. It wasn’t so much sort of character studies as it was just this sweeping — It’s really about the fate of the universe. Exactly. The scope of it was immense. So that was fun to read, partly because my day-to-day problems with Congress seem fairly petty — not something to worry about. Aliens are about to invade. [Laughter] Source HereWhen Aliens are about to invade. Ha. Ha. Ha. Pretty funny. Right. But then it gets stranger, because it's not just Obama, but our other favorite alien, Mark Zuckerberg.
In his Remembrance of Earth’s Past series, Liu doesn’t value this idea enough to even pay it lip service. Organizing earth for a centuries-long project of developing the tools to fight a coming invasion is, in his telling, work exclusively reserved for large planning committees of technical experts given global mandates and staggering resources. In short, it’s a job only properly suited for the nascent technocratic class that has held increasing sway in our world in the last ~30–40 years (and which Liu himself, as a computer engineer in China, is tacitly a part of). The humanity presented within these books is a humanity of government conferences, scientific laboratories and U.N. resolutions. It’s a humanity that is contained and constrained utterly within a world of technical and logistical problem solving. In short, the humanity presented in these books is purely that of a technocratic elite.We live in an age in which the gap between those with technical skills and those without is widening. Our ideas of affluence and upward mobility are increasingly colored not simply by who possesses wealth, but also by who possesses specific types of knowledge and skills. Cixin Liu has written a remarkable science fiction epic which also, perhaps unknowingly, serves as a warning. A world in which a globally empowered technocratic class controls everything is a world that can achieve remarkable outcomes. But it is, by its very nature, a sterile world; one in which the overwhelming majority of human life and experience is a mere afterthought in a plenary session. Source HereTake note of two things; The title of the series and the theme of the Technocrats saving humanity.
Darkforest is a computer go program developed by Facebook, based on deep learning techniques using a convolutional neural network. Its updated version Darkfores2 combines the techniques of its predecessor with Monte Carlo tree search. The MCTS effectively takes tree search methods commonly seen in computer chess programs and randomizes them. With the update, the system is known as Darkfmcts3. Source HereOk. We know that Zuckerdork loves the novel. Sure. But he loves it enough to name his AI computer after the book? Words matter. A lot. And while this is all just probably a coincidence, what if it isn't? All the reports about underwater objects. All the photos of the three of them in the ocean. Facebook’s AI being called the Dark Forest. The monoliths that are striking me as more than a natural occurrence. The UFO around the sun during the 2012 solar flare? The sudden surge to protect the energy grid? The sulfur reports and the early reports of smell around UFO activity? All the recent reports about drones being casually dismissed as nothing.
Observations of mysterious drones spotted in northeastern Colorado and western Nebraska were first reported in December 2019.[1] The drones were described as having blinking lights and a wingspan of about six feet (1.8 m). According to the Denver Post, the drones flew in groups of six to 10 and were usually seen between 7 and 10 pm. The sheriff of Phillips County, Colorado described the formation as "a grid search" and stated that the size and number of drones makes it unlikely that they are being operated by hobbyists. One witness in Palisade, Nebraska counted 19 drones at one time, some hovering and others flying in formations in small groups. Source HereLook. Something is going on these days. Something big. What? Now that's the big question, isn’t it?
Freeman Dyson was a physics professor known for his work in the area of electrodynamics. Dyson formerly worked as a professor of physics at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. He passed away at 96 years old in February 2020. According to Dyson's profile at the Institute for Advanced Study, “His most useful contribution to science was the unification of the three versions of quantum electrodynamics invented by Feynman, Schwinger and Tomonaga. Cornell University made him a professor without bothering about his lack of Ph.D.” Source HereYou know, the guy who came up with the concept of the Dyson sphere.
No-Regrets" Approach: "No-regrets" actions are actions by households, communities, and local/national/international institutions that can be justified from economic, and social, and environmental perspectives whether natural hazard events or climate change (or other hazards) take place or not. "No-regrets" actions increase resilience, which is the ability of a "system" to deal with different types of hazards in a timely, efficient, and equitable manner. Increasing resilience is the basis for sustainable growth in a world of multiple hazards (see Heltberg, Siegel, Jorgensen, 2009; UNDP, 2010).If you would like to read the paper, I do have it linked on Flatten the Curve under Peter Schwartz.
Some of you are aware (some frustratingly aware) that since late 2019 I posted several ARV targets in /remoteviewing to predict the outcome of the 2020 U.S. Election. I’ve completed my analysis of the data, the purpose of which was not so much to predict the outcome (which we did anyway), but also to look at how ARV prediction data lined up with the eventual result. submitted by Frankandfriends to remoteviewing [link] [comments] The TL;DR is that early predictions were of moderate strength, but changed from favoring the incumbent at first to a shift for the challenger towards November 3. This was a bit as expected if you subscribe to any of the theories that say we have free will and the future isn’t set in stone. Also useful is that this experiment suggests that applying an economic term called discounting to ARV data may help prevent people from putting too much faith in early, inaccurate predictions. The real highlight here is that after giving each prediction points, then adjusting those points, the results follow closely with data from UK gambling website Betfair (published by Newsweek) on the odds they were giving each candidate over the last year. Like, very closely – only one prediction out of seven was off. But, this is just a preliminary study of the concept. More research is needed. And more data. https://preview.redd.it/vcs5y71i57561.png?width=945&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f31ddf266c29fb71f1fd9f92a19b06c541eefcb For those that want to get super into the weeds on this, I have a 15-page research paper available here for those who want to have a read. I’ll warn you, it’s some detailed stuff and isn’t for everyone. But if the thought of applying economic analysis to ARV data sounds like a fun way to spend 20 minutes (there’s graphs!) then feel free. I also want to thank both the /RemoteViewing community and in particular the 18 users who provided session data: u/Bondibitch, BadWolfPikey, -burgers, Dudley_Dawg, ebell8, FluffyLlamaPants, FuckyouImaUnicorn, GlassCloched, icylana, Mark_Shubin, Mockingbirdmoon, MultipleFutures, NahSense, nandxnor, NoodleBoiDonkey, Syiduk, Tomatopotatotomato, Woo-d-woo This experiment relied on the time and effort of others, and would not be possible without you. I also want to thank fellow moderators /nykotar and /GrinSpickett for their continued, constant support of the /RemoteViewing community and for helping standardize target posting rules so that an experiment like this can take place. Sincere thanks to each and every one of you! This revision comes after receiving feedback from Jon Knowles and Debra Katz. Many thanks to them for their critical look at this experiment, and guiding comments and questions. It ended up leading to a better overall analysis, for which I am sincerely grateful. If you have questions on the research or data, feel free to post them here. Edit: a space |
Hey guys, submitted by TheLesserCornholio to Kaiserreich [link] [comments] So I’m generally very pleased with the ways in which KR is being currently steered. To put aside arguments about “realism”, “plausibility” etc, I’ve heard sentiments echoed by the team that go something essentially along the lines of “Is there some precedent for this? If so, let’s do it”. And I am in love with this train of thought, because that’s by no means necessarily going to be realistic. Otherwise, Qing China would probably remain a Wu Peifu dictatorship hellhole. Megali would likewise probably not be an option, and the Anderson Doctrine (one of the most underappreciated pieces of content IMO, conquering the Pacific as Australasia is fantastic) would probably be pretty unfeasible given that the Entente have bigger fish to fry. The 2ACW would probably not happen, and neither would the British Revolution. Obviously, these are all good things that we want to keep. Anyway, despite my feeling that things will be steered the right way for every country, I feel there is one that I worry for that I cannot resist writing about – if not to change the minds of any KR higher-ups, perhaps one hopes to, in fact, simply predict where this country will be headed. That country is, of course… Yeah you read the title Poland Now, once upon a time, Sikorski’s Poland with the later Czartoryski coup was, without a doubt, my favourite thing to do in Kaiserreich. Though its detail is perhaps lacking compared to newer areas such as South America and China, my knowledge of Polish history post-partition and the OTL events that followed for Poland from WWI to our very day gave KRTL Poland’s seizure of Ruthenian, Lithuanian, Austrian & German lands a great sense of vengeance, a real phoenix (or eagle?) rising from the ashes. One which, especially relative to something like Greece forming Byzantium, felt very much believable and more satisfying as a result. And it does leave me desiring one thing: a Poland that doesn’t get dicked over by her mighty powerful neighbours – because boy, if there was any country that deserved some goddamn poetic justice from this period, it would be Poland. For those who might not be in the know, once upon a time, the great power in the east of Europe was not Russia: no, it was at different points, either Sweden or Poland-Lithuania, something that might surprise someone who would look at Poland in 1936, either KRTL or OTL, or even today. Sadly, geography ended up screwing Poland over, and a combination of gifted enemy kings, military alliances and opportunism from her neighbours of course led the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to being partitioned three times and erased from the face of the earth. But here’s where things get more interesting, and it’s when we cover events in Congress Poland and Lithuania, as well as what is today western Belarus and Ukraine – there were at least two uprisings by Poles, Lithuanians and Ruthenians (as they were back then, I don’t exactly know when the Ruthenian identity gradually diverged into Belarusian and Ukrainian) championing the old Rzeczpospolita, and to my surprise, and as Augustyn Czartoryski’s bio suggests – his ancestors were prominently involved in both uprisings, the latter of which happened as late as 1863. Here’s the flag that was used during the latter uprising, for those curious: Poland, Lithuania & Ruthenia being represented. Probably not a possibility for KR’s universe, but fun fact. Though I know fewer specifics as of the turn of the 20th century, I do know that the Russian Empire as of 1900 was facing serious issues with nationalism, especially in Congress Poland and the surrounding areas. This was, of course, a weakness that Germany exploited very effectively in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. And if we look to KRTL in 1936, we see that former Ruthenian lands now have their own nation states, and while Poland is once again de jure independent, it’s seriously reduced in size and left as a puppet of Germany. Their new king August IV seems to feel just as unwelcome in his adoptive home as Mindaugas (or Vytautas in the new lore IIRC) does in Lithuania, and it does make me despair at Poland’s new state of affairs. Around a year ago, I had a good chat with Droz and asked if there would be a chance to depose August IV, and while my question couldn’t be answered, I did hear that you wouldn’t have any other option for a king without being puppeted. Furthermore, I can’t possibly say if Belarusians and Ukrainians would wish to be part of this new Poland anyway – sure, they rose up with them in the 19th century, but it seems like Germany has given them a far sweeter offer in the form of their own nation states. So, does that remove any chance of an expansionist, monarchist Poland? Well, no, but perhaps probably if you put the two of them together. It sounds like whatever king they have is just going to be a figurehead placed there by a power wishing to use Poland for its own means. But let’s go over some reason why they could potentially get claims and maybe even cores on land east of Congress Poland. Now, while it's debatable that former Ruthenians would be happy being a part of a restored Poland, I can definitely give you a demographic that would be ecstatic to be a part of a new Poland… Jews The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth offered, compared to virtually all of Europe, very hospitable conditions for Jews – I’m foggy on the exact details, but take it from a guy who had the great opportunity to visit the Polin Museum last year in Warsaw. Post-Commonwealth, many former Polish Jews found themselves separated in 3 different countries that at best didn't have as good conditions for them as the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and at worst were downright oppressive - looking at Russia here. This was exacerbated in WWI, when they found themselves fighting and killing one another, so OTL once Poland was restored many former Polish Jews had a restored hope that things might be better for them. Around the time of 1930s Poland, there were two schools of thought amongst the demographic: one group, promoted particularly by the Yiddish-speaking community, promoted integration and assimilation in this new Poland. The other group promoted reviving Hebrew and creating a Jewish state (i.e Israel). Now OTL, the former kind of view stopped existing (for reasons I'm sure I don't have to explain), whereas in Kaiserreich, a Yiddish-speaking Jewish community who would realistically be very pro-Poland still would very much exist. Furthermore, given that most of the Middle East will likely remain territory of the Ottoman Empire, might this further give support to those who'd prefer to remain in Poland? This is compounded with Józef Piłsudski remaining a prominent figure in Poland around this time, who encouraged a multi-ethnic Poland whose citizens were united by loyalty to the state rather than religion, for example. Now, while Jews are obviously still a minority, this is still a population of 3,500,000 spread around the area of OTL 1930s Poland, with around 400,000 in OTL Belarus and upwards of 2,000,000 in OTL Ukraine, and IIRC these citizens would be heavily focused in urban areas. It seems likely that they’d prefer to live within a single unified state, rather than being split across Ukraine, White Ruthenia and Poland, lest they go to war with one another again. While this might not necessitate cores in more Eastern areas of Ukraine and Belarus, maybe this can be represented as a modifier that boosts population significantly for Poland? Alternatively, core the western states but put a negative modifier on recruitable population until a focus/decision is completed or something (Like “Appease the Ukrainians”, “Appease the White Ruthenians”, whatever)? Also, I imagine this was done deliberately, but the new Lithuanian borders in the Eastern Europe Rework mean that a considerable portion of it is majority Polish. Least of which Vilnius, Lithuania’s largest city! Like I say, I imagine this was done deliberately because this will lead to a more dynamic and eventful 1936 when Black Monday hits. Anyway, back to coring western Ruthenia briefly. As far as cores go, there are certainly more outrageous cases in the mod. It would certainly be more likely than Iron Guard Romania annexing Transylvania and getting cores on the Szeklerland, for example, which as of the 1930s was overwhelmingly Hungarian and would despise the Iron Guard. Meanwhile, a considerable population of Ruthenia (mainly the influential and powerful gentry) considered themselves culturally Polish. This is a demographic who I don’t see losing their influence. I originally wrote a little more here about how all Belarusians and Ukrainians would perhaps accept living in a new Polish Kingdom – but I have to be honest with myself, that’s probably a pipe dream. A very beautiful pipe dream though, one must admit. Look at that Russian border! I will, however, draw attention to a few maps map of OTL Poland in 1937: https://preview.redd.it/khhol1jxtcj51.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d6b8a1a33699e8e5ddaf420eb4aab8770e8b919 https://preview.redd.it/2r7c538ytcj51.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=0683f42fd12657a745c3d163f95d1acb055b78a9 As we can see, significant populations exist in areas that not only can already be claimed by a revanchist Poland currently, but even some more outside of Poland’s OTL 1930s borders (See the first image), and once again, oftentimes concentrated in densely populated urban areas. Outside of that, Polish or Yiddish is the second language of much of the population (once again, concentrated in the highly populated urban areas), see the second image. It’s also worth repeating that notable OTL Polish figureheads like Józef Piłsudski believed that Poland could function as a multi-national state, with loyalty to the Polish state being valued over assimilation. He was also positively viewed by Polish Jews for this exact policy. Funnily enough, one of Augustyn Czartoryski’s ancestors also (eventually, he didn’t at first) began to champion these same ideals – Adam Jerzy Czartoryski, if my memory serves me right, who was very prominently involved in the 1863 January Uprising. Now, is this a view that’s going to be championed by others? Well, as of 80-100 years ago, the Polish uprisings certainly indicate that they would have been. Now, though…? Far more unlikely. The real issue unfortunately is that this territory is held by states that aren’t likely to give them up to Poland without outside pressure. Now, with this said, the 20 or so years that pass that differ from our own timeline could well affect these ethnic boundaries, but for the sake of what we’re proposing here, we’re going to presume it’s nothing so drastic to massively affect the demographics on the maps above. Germany would be the one divvying up this territory if anyone, which would be an interesting mechanic for the rework if you needed to attempt appeasing your Mitteleuropan puppet states. I won’t touch on that though, because Germany is not the focus of what I’m writing on here. So, we’ve weighed aspects that could influence whether or not this could happen, and while there certainly exists some, it’s arguably not enough to mean it should get in-game content. And to this, I must appeal to another aspect of the situation, perhaps the same one that led to the Manchu Restoration being implemented for the Qing, and that is this: POLAND'S HISTORY IS SO BLOODY SAD.Whether you’re looking at a century of being split apart, being carved up and invaded by nations that are much more powerful or taking advantage of a weakness, being occupied for over a century and brutally oppressed and assimilated, and finally your people getting killed barbarically in WWII, Poland is a country that knows how to take a hit. And in KRTL, it doesn’t even get the momentary high that it got to live for 20 years before 1939 happened. It’s a tiny rump state that’s traded one overlord for another. Their current king is uninspiring to the Polish people and is merely a symbol of German dominance, in the words of the game itself. The most believable path for Poland, all things considered, is perhaps a concession or two from one of the other Mitteleuropan puppet states. Poland’s fate would seem to ultimately be a jewel in the German crown, and nothing else, her borders seriously reduced. Who wants that to be the only outcome? Any other alternative would seem to likely lead to Poland being invaded by her vengeful neighbours like 1939 OTL, and that’s even worse (one needs only to read time after time about hundreds of soldiers who deliberately dug their heels in and sacrificed themselves, just to make the 1939 German invasion last 10 more minutes, to have that illustrated). I digress, but point being, nobody wants that to be the only outcome, that’s just depressing.I will appeal to the story side of things – Poland is the perfect underdog, a once great power now fallen and humiliated time and time again. Now is the moment for them to reclaim their birthright and dignity, surely! For them to remain a ghastly shadow of their former selves and just another Mitteleuropan puppet state, sure it’s maybe realistic…but it’s just sad, in the same way Qing China remaining dominated by Wu Peifu is sad. Anyway, given that Manchu Qing exists, I’m sure I don’t need to make this point, and the writers and team in charge of KR are considering at least some of what I’ve written so far (though perhaps likely to a less extreme degree as what I've written). In any case, let’s move on! Is a True Polish King unbelievable? Anyway, was monarchism dead in Poland around this time KRTL? Well, their nobility certainly was not, or at least not recently. OTL, I believe the szlachta (that is to say the Polish nobility) were only abolished in 1921 within the Polish Republic – something it seems unlikely for the German Empire who’s just installed a Hohenzollern monarch to want to do. Hell, if you wanted an ethnically Polish monarch, you have not only the Czartoryski, but Poniatowski, Potocki and plenty more. The only thing that’s realistically stopping one of them from taking the throne is Germany, who’d rather have August IV there. But would they really? Look at Belgium as it currently is – Adalbert is despised, and Germany can grant Belgian independence in exchange for Reichspakt participation. It’s a total win-win for Germany to get rid of their despised monarch in favour of a head of state Belgium loves and wants to follow. Adalbert’s situation seems very similar to August’s, if not worse off, since poor old Auwi doesn’t even have his father’s love. Putting Albert back in charge of Belgium is already one of the most blessed parts of the mod, and for something similar to occur in a country as battered and aching for a win as Poland is, would be awesome. It also seems strange that Poland would not be given territory that's majority Polish - but again, I imagine this was chosen deliberately by the team for a more eventful, interesting scenario. Now, I don’t really know much about how monarchism and its popularity after WWI in Poland, but I did recently speak to two people who do happen to know a fair bit. So I’m going to go through what they said a little bit and some inspiring cool candidates for the Polish throne that they identified. 1. Another German king – but a Catholic one, rather than a Protestant Meet Duke Albrecht von Wurttemberg! So from what I’ve heard other people say, this guy was considered by Wilhelm II himself because he was Catholic, and might be a better fit for Poland as a result. I’ve also seen the current Saxon candidate Frederick Christian, as well as Ferdinand I of Romania’s older brother, thrown around as ideas, but this got disputed between the people I asked, with some arguing even a converted Catholic wouldn’t be accepted and that the Germans wanted non-Hohenzollerns on the thrones of these new states. I overall don’t really know much about them, and I find them relatively uninteresting candidates, so I’m going to move on to #2. 2. A Habsburg king like we have now Hey, I’ve seen this one before… God, as much as I love the idea of an ethnically Polish noble taking the throne, Karl Albrecht is a really fantastic choice, and I hope he remains as an option, even if he’s still a puppet. OTL in both 1918, the Polish-Soviet War and 1939 he volunteered in the Polish army. When Poland was occupied, he declared himself to be a Polish citizen, defied the Nazi government and got imprisoned, tortured, half-blinded and sent to a concentration camp for doing so. Just as the current KR events and info about him indicate, he was a Polish patriot through and through, and I’d love to see him remain as an option for a Polish king. Hell, given that a more benevolent (and long-sighted) Austria might well yield an allied Poland Galicia-Lodomeria, this might actually be one of the brighter paths Poland could take as a country. This Habsburg is definitely worthy of the throne in my eyes. 3. A member of the szlachta? Regardless, and to hell with the odds, this would be my favourite option. One that I find myself interested in because there’s so many different & fascinating avenues to be explored. And after speaking to a few people, I heard a few fascinating options given, especially as candidates preferred by local powers: https://preview.redd.it/4uqjmd8bucj51.png?width=271&format=png&auto=webp&s=59f20f3d2e586957df2b5f25a2589729dcbbd149 Janusz Radziwiłł – So from what I’ve heard and read of this guy, not only was he the Kaiser’s cousin and had strong ties to the Hohenzollerns maternally, but he lived much of his life in Germany and had connections to German aristocracy. With this said, he identified himself as Polish nonetheless, involved himself with the Polish government when it was both a kingdom and a republic following World War One, he supported Piłsudski, and actually refused himself as a candidate to be King of Lithuania (the throne of which would eventually go to Wilhelm Karl von Urach/Mindaugas II). Like Karl Albrecht OTL, he championed Polish independence and suffered greatly for it, getting interred in Lubyanka and personally interrogated by Come on, guys! This guy sounds like a far better functioning alternative than an effeminate, non-Catholic, non-Pole who’s on terrible terms with the Hohenzollerns despite being one paternally, especially given the precedent that minor houses were preferred to be kings of these nations, as well as hitting the cool factor out of the park. If there was a Belgium-esque removal of Auwi in favour of Janusz, surely this would appease all parties: both conservative Catholic Poland and the Kaiser who isn’t exactly very happy with poor old Auwi. Hell, it probably makes Auwi happy as well and he can return to not living in a country that’s as disdainful of him as Poland is. Jesus, as I write this, I learn that this guy is king of Poland at the game start of Fuhrerreich. Not sure how that makes much sense at all given Fuhrerreich’s circumstances, but whatever Enough about him though, onto the next guy. Our guy Augustyn Czartoryski, who I am already mourning since I don’t see his position as “the true Polish king” surviving the rework at all. Read on for more info… A Czartoryski or Poniatowski – these guys as I understand, while considered, probably wouldn’t be nominated or seriously considered here, due to having a lot of French ancestry (particularly the Poniatowski as I’ve read) and being considered Entente-aligned in general. While these guys would be fantastic, this is already kind of a stretch as it is and I think, as much as I hate to say it, these guys probably wouldn’t be considered by Germany or Austria. Now, if Russia or France was putting a candidate on the throne, that’d be a different story…so maybe these guys could be considered for a pro-Entente puppet government placed in Poland. This seems extremely unlikely to happen though, requiring nothing short of a full-scale Russian or Entente invasion and capitulation of the Reichspakt. And God knows that Russia might more likely have plans of just annexing Poland altogether once again. God, what a downer. It seems like if these guys are remaining, it’ll just be in sad circumstances. I’d be happy to be proven wrong, of course, so I’ll shut up now and move on to… Here’s Jerzy Potocki after meeting with FDR thanking him for sending assistance to Poland in 1939. Jerzy Potocki – This guy could be an alternative to Karl Albrecht, as he has connections with Austria-Hungary. He was OTL a diplomat and was active in Poland’s political scene. Tbh though, I’d probably still prefer Karl Albrecht. There are likely tons more candidates that I missed, but honestly, I should probably just stop writing this section already, because with all of this said: I’ve already heard that a new king who isn’t August isn’t going to appear by will of Poland itself, but inserted there by a puppet master. This might be subject to change ofc, and if what I wrote here maybe helps that, happy days. Honestly, I wonder if those words were chosen very carefully when they were said to me almost a year ago. As I’ve written this essay, I’ve begun to not help but wonder if Auwi was deliberately chosen by the Dev team because he’s such an atrocious, ill-fitting King of Poland. It’s a situation that’s incredibly delicate and could be so easily pushed over the edge if, say, an economic crisis were to strike the world in 1936. In other words, Auwi was chosen deliberately to give the player as much choice as humanly possible to, shall we say, have Germany remove him and look for another candidate, like some of the ones I’ve listed. But let’s just assume I’m wrong about that completely, so we can get onto the last section… A new Rzeczpospolita Polska? Please correct me if I’m wrong, Polish readers, but “rzeczpospolita” can be translated as both “commonwealth” and “republic”, right? I’ll continue writing presuming as such. Finally, a truly fantastic pathway I could see Poland take would be some kind of monarchy overthrow, like Belgium. However, unlike Belgium, perhaps their only option will be to declare a republic. While I was initially lukewarm to the idea, with greater thought it’s something that’s kind of appealed to me. With the old Commonwealth being an elective monarchy, perhaps members of the szlachta are able to run as new presidents for this brave new Poland? A phoenix from the ashes, surrounded by enemies all around. A new republic that, just like the commonwealth of old, was functional and perhaps even powerful despite the diverse demographics that existed within her borders. A republic that follows Piłsudski’s philosophy and ideas for the Polish state – perhaps not entirely far-fetched given how influential a figure he was when he was alive, and especially given that he’ll as of 1936 either still be alive or only recently deceased. Perhaps pragmatism would prevail here when it’s realised that if differences aren’t put aside, and they do not get their shit together in time, they risk being put under the Russian boot again, except this time under an ultranationalist regime that will hate them and destroy their culture through the Russification polices of OTL (Assuming that Savinkov being in power is the most likely option here, it’d certainly be the worst-case scenario for Poland). Furthermore, the ideas that Piłsudski preached seem like they could be utilised by socialists in Poland, but I have no idea if syndicalism would even be a viable option for not only a country that’s staunchly conservative and catholic, but also completely surrounded by other countries that are either conservative, catholic, or both – i.e, opposed to syndicalism. Still, it seems like Britain and France would be the only ones that’d want to support this new Poland’s claims, seeing as unlike Germany, Austria & Russia, Polish claims and French/British ones don’t overlap and cause issues. It could also either be an interesting parallel to OTL Poland and their relationship with the UK and France in the 1930s, but one would hope things end differently this time… :^( Now, the szlachta would certainly not be the only candidates, that I will totally acknowledge. Regardless, I feel like a continuation of the old commonwealth’s virtues has such an appeal to it from a narrative perspective, and the descendants of those who once led this great power raising it from the ashes is just perfect, if unlikely. Let us not forget though, that unlikely things have happened a plenty in history, and the option to do these things, in my humble opinion, would enrich Kaiserreich immensely. It’s some of the more unlikely things that occur in Kaiserreich that carry a lot of charm to them. The Kuomintang rising up and winning in China, the Manchu Restoration, the (potential) prevalence of democratic regimes in the crisis-stricken countries of socialist France and Britain, Mittelafrika electing the Reformgruppe and (my personal favourite) the emergence of a constitutional monarchy in Russia against all odds – I could go on, but you all get the point. Kaiserreich’s world is plenty dark and violent, and Poland is well overdue some good fortune - good fortune that would by extension lead to really fun gameplay, world-building and story-telling. Conclusion In any case, I’ve probably made my points as well as I’m able to. I also have no idea how finished Poland is as a country in regards to its rework, so I might be writing this too late to be properly considered. However, in the off chance that it’s not nearly finished in regards to the rework, perhaps what I wrote here can help developers in their mission to create a fantastic new Poland. Then again, I’m not Polish and am really an amateur when it comes to historical knowledge, so maybe what I’ve said is already being considered by people with a greater knowledge of history than myself. What is for sure is that the idea that “Poland is not yet lost” rings true very strongly still in KR – and I hope that this sentiment is utilised to its fullest potential. In either case, that’s all for this one. Thanks for reading! |
Independent Manchester United Supporters Association chairman Jules Spencer has warned: "If Glazer wants a fight, we will give him one."An open letter was subsequently sent to then MUFC Chief Executive David Gill asking him to tell the London Stock Exchange's Takeover Panel to order Mr. Glazer to clarify his intentions. If so instructed, the Panel would impose a deadline on Glazer to make a formal bid --- which, if not met, would prohibit an additional takeover bid for 6 months. [1]
And Bones, whose group held "Not4Sale" banners outside Old Trafford stadium on Monday, added: "Supporters groups are linking together to defend the club.
"The focus of attention will be to call on all supporters to become shareholders. It will be much cheaper for supporters to own the shares and have an influence on the club.
"Supporters who hold shares want the profits to stay in the club and to go to the benefit of the team and stadium improvements while still having reasonably priced tickets.
"The larger shareholders want profits to be taken away from the club." [1]
United director Maurice Watkins became a target after selling £1m worth of shares to Glazer, and his black Jaguar was daubed with red paint by militant fans' group Manchester Education Committee (MEC).Meanwhile --- Glazer continued to negotiate with Magnier and McManus over a purchase of their interest. [1]
Its members also invaded the pitch during a United reserve game against Birmingham to protest, while the Red Action Group campaign outside the offices of investment bank JP Morgan, who had been advising Glazer on his bid, before marching to the Stock Exchange. [1]
"The board remains of the view that the assumptions in the Glazer business plan are aggressive," United said in a statement. "The board recognises, however, that the price of 300p per share is a fair one and may be attractive to some shareholders of Manchester United.As a result of the Board's statement, the London Exchange's Takeover Panel gave Glazer a "put up or shut up" deadline of May 17 to announce whether he intended to make yet another bid. [1] [2] Given the deadline, it was reported that Glazers would use "fear factor tactics" to persuade McManus and Magnier to sell. [1]
"Given the board's concerns about the potential impact [of large debts on a debt-free, profitable company] of the proposal, the board has informed Glazer that it cannot provide a recommendation to shareholders to accept any offer made on the basis of the current proposal." [1]
Some Manchester United fans are so upset that in the last few weeks they have burned Mr. Glazer in effigy outside the stadium, ripped up their season tickets, threatened to disrupt future games and urged a boycott of the team's merchandise and products from sponsors like Nike, which, coincidentally, is an American company.Fans also questioned Glazer's silence on their intentions for the club:
"That man is not welcome at Old Trafford," said Oliver Houston, spokesman for Shareholders United, a group representing small investors in the team, which had been a publicly traded company. Meanwhile, a militant fan group called the Manchester Education Committee declared Old Trafford to be "occupied territory" and vowed not to rest until it had forced Glazer to sell the team.
The Independent Manchester United Supporters' Association, yet another fans group, is asking supporters to wear black and wave black flags at the Football Association Cup final between Manchester United and Arsenal on Saturday in Cardiff, Wales. [1]
Fans protested outside the stadium last night and an effigy of the new owner was burned, along with season ticket forms, [while] fans chanted and carried banners that said "Not For Sale." [1] [2] [Image]
For Tony Peoples, 35, who works in a paper mill, the problem has to do with attitude. Why, he wondered, has Mr. Glazer not come to Old Trafford to talk to the fans? Why has he not mentioned Manchester United's proud history, its traditions, its larger-than-life importance? "It would be nice if he'd come out and say something and appease people, and put their worries to rest," Mr. Peoples said. [1]
"These questions found their way into the Daily Mail which increased the scrutiny around United. In response the club announced a review of their transfer dealings from January 2001 to January 2004, to be carried out by then finance director Nick Humby.And in terms of the outcome of the club's investigation:
As it got closer to the broadcast of the Fergie and Son documentary, and the BBC publicity department released some of Millar’s findings, the tension around the club rose. Then, two days before the broadcast of Fergie and Son, United unexpectedly went public with the details of Humby’s transfer review in a move that looked designed to spike the BBC’s guns." [1]
"Of all the United board’s conclusions, the one that made the headlines was that Jason [Ferguson] and Elite would never again be permitted to “act for the club”, although United admitted that they could not stop him representing United players who were existing clients – there were 13 of them. The club cleared themselves, Sir Alex, Jason and Elite of any wrongdoing in transfers, and revealed hitherto unpublished details of payments to agents. United also set out a new proviso that, in the future, agents should declare any connection to employees of United." [1]By 2004, Magnier and McManus' ownership stood at 28%, and there were rumors they could attempt to take over the club. [1] Meanwhile, Sir Alex and Magnier resolved their lawsuit with a lump sum payment of £2.5m to Sir Alex. [1] The matter was reportedly brought to a close when Sir Alex made a telephone call to Magnier, then in Barbados, which marked "the first time they had spoken since Ferguson fell out with his friend and launched legal proceedings in January [2003]." [1] [2]
Our debt, taking a house comparison, is like a mortgage. And it's small relative to the value of the business. And the person living inside it is getting richer and richer and richer in terms of income every year. [1]
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